The Thomas BRYANT on page 43 of "So Obscure A Person,” was married before 1783, according to source #75 on page 60, which references the will of his father James BRYANT.
According to the 1783 will of James BRYANT, Thomas BRYANT had daughters Elizabeth BRYANT and Fanny BRYANT, both born before 1783.
**UPDATE: Please read the comments as to whether Elizabeth and Fanny were one person or two.
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ReplyDeleteI have a copy of the original will of James Bryant where Elizabeth and Fanny are mention. There are not two granddaughters. They are the same person.
Elizabeth is given a slave Lyddia in the first part of the will, but in the last paragraph of the will, James Bryant reiterates that Fanny/Elizabeth is given Lyddia's "increase" as well.
There is no mention anywhere in the will that there are granddaughter"s".
Posted by Ken Bryant
Ken - I used a transcription of the 1783 Will of James Bryant. Elizabeth and Fanny are definitely TWO different daughters of James Bryant, as they have different married names, according to this copy of the will.
ReplyDeleteJames Bryant himself stated that he had two grandchildren under the age of twenty-one. Twice he mentioned "granddaughters" - Elizabeth and Fanny. Elizabeth received the slave Lydia, not Fanny.
If this transcription that I am using is inaccurate, I would certainly like to know. Do you have a microfilm copy of the original or a transcription?
~~Edna Barney
Neddy,
ReplyDeleteI'm baaaccckkk. (Laughing) Ok. Here's the skinny. And, I quote from the will:
"Item, I give and bequeath to my grand son Stinson Bryant, son of my son Ths Bryant one hundred and twenty six pounds with lawfull interest from the date thereof, to him and his heirs forever".
"Item, I give & bequeath to my grandaughter (the r looks like an s here, but is not) Elizabeth Bryant daughter of my son Ths Bryant, one negro girl named Lyddia, her and her increase, to her and her heirs forever. & if either of my grand children die under the age of twenty one, or before marriage, then my will is the survivor or survivors, or their heirs shall hold and enjoy in equal proportion the legacy left to the said Dec. to them and their heirs forever.
Here's where people get confused because they are not part of this line. James left everything to be divided by Clark in her will to their children. He wanted to make sure that his grand children Stinson and Elizabeth Francis (Fanny) were taken care of in his will. Many times, as you may have seen in other family lines, they aren't very creative with their names, and they are repeated with cousins. Such is the case here, James names out his children of which there is a Elizabeth Sallee, but to clarify which Elizabeth, he uses Fanny to reiterate who gets the slave and the increase.
Quote: "My will and desire is that all my estate lent to my wife Clark Bryant during her life be after her death (as well Real or Personal) equally divided among my children; hereafter named (Viz) James Bryant Jr, Issac Bryant, Judith Street, Elizabeth Salle, Mary Christian, Martha LeSueur, Anne Stinson, Fanny Forsee & my grandaughter Fanny Bryant daughter of my son Ths Bryant this negro with their increase to them and theirs."
I see where the confuse is when they put the two Fannies to together, but even at that, they're still one person.
He goes on about if any disputes should be taken to the Court.
This case is similiar to land transcations where they say "Go the oak sapling 100 rods, go 20 degrees southwest for 60 rods to a pile of rocks or pine tree". They think that everyone knows what the hell their talking about. James knew the difference between the Elizabeths and Fannies because he said so. (Laughing)
You can leave all of this the same. I don't care, but you'll know; won't you?
Ken Bryant
Thank you so much for your help in clarifying this Ken. As I said, I don't have the original will. I was reading what I thought was a transcription, but since it does not mention Stinson BRYANT, perhaps what I was reading was an abstract.
ReplyDeleteFrom your interpretation of the will of James BRYANT, it seems that Thomas BRYANT had one daughter Fanny/Elizabeth BRYANT, and a son, Stinson BRYANT.
Thomas Bryant is said to have been killed at the Battle of Guilford Courthouse, but he wasn't. He died later near home of a head wound that he received at Guilford. Stinson and Elizabeth were his only children. Their Mother's name is up in the air because were two Thomas Bryants who lived in what is now Orange County, Virginia. I have no valid record of either.
ReplyDeleteI am not a Bryant researcher, but I have been dubious about this Thomas BRYANT being the one killed at Guilford Courthouse, because of conflicting dates. Perhaps, you are right, that he died later, which may be the explanation for the date conflict.
ReplyDeleteThere are four or so BLWs for Thomas BRYANT (BRIANT) of Virginia. Have you researched those, and if so, were the names of a wife mentioned, and were any of them this Thomas BRYANT? I saw them at Footnote.com. I could not find a pension for him or his heirs.
Thomas Bryant is the son of Jacques Briand (James Bryant) of Manakintown, Virginia which is on the North side of the James River and West of Richmond. He sold his land in Henrico County, which soon became Goochland County, and move to across the river to Powhatan County. Thomas remained on the North side of the river and was supposedly married to a Thorton. The other Thomas Bryant was found in the "Lost Marriages of Virginia". A follow-up on him revealed that he was alive well after the Thomas who fought at Guilford Courthouse. I stopped right there and didn't pick backup.
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